At first when I saw that webbing so short I though I am going to be returning the tent yet again, because for me a centered inner is a non-starter. In order to allow full motion of the nest left to right the correct length is sqrt(9^2+18^2)~20 inches. In that case the ability to stake down one door would be useful. Thanks for posting the journey best of luck on the launch. I was a little surprised by the comments over the Stratosphire and Swiftline, as if those two shelters owned the idea of making the ridgeline diagonal to the sleeping area or that they represented the extent of design possibilities with this configuration. Would have been a more useful general purpose tent. The ventilation was AWESOME on rainy nights. 0.45 kg/m2. Sure, there are always lighter options however the all-around functionality of this is really nice, and the price is excellent. 2) Can be pitched as a unit. There is a limited release (110 units) later this month, and full production and distribution will hit in Spring 2017. Please check your email for further instructions. Tarptent Stratospire 2 Set up as a tarp, a hiker would have ample space for themselves and their gear, unlike many one-person tents. The pole needs to be extended more in order to remove all the slack out of the door panel. If you are a more experienced user, you’ll appreciate the headroom, great ventilation, porchable doors, vertical walls to prevent rain entry and attention to details like the 2-way door zipper … P.S. My positive impressions for the HR1 from before are still the same as when I posted in this thread some time ago – tall; easy-ish to pitch; creature comforts that are important to me – two pockets, loops along the ridgeline that allow me to string a line and an extra pocket up there; easy to pack (stuff sack has been modified from Andrew’s videos); light at least by my standards. I have seen some people say that the attachment of the inner is fiddly. The poles will have to at least be 120, but they’ll probably need to be a little longer in order to remove all the slack from the door panels. These days people are relying on blog posts and YouTube. It’s safe to say you have sold me on this tent! That said, maybe we’ll look at increasing the cat cut on the ridgeline to make it even more pronounced, or trying to create some type of inner pocket for the pole rather than using the Velcro strap. For 2018 SD has largely revamped its shelter line-up. I am replying to your blog so that your answers can benefit others too. This is the best place to have the conversation, let’s keep it here. Then, connect the tent body to the ceiling of the tarp by connecting the buckles at the top of the yellow strings on the tent body. Some of us are not entirely flexible and that would have made ingress/egress helluva lot more pleasant in the morning. 1) Vertical sides result in complete elimination of vestibule space. Footprints of the StratoSpire 1, Yama Swiftline 2, and High Route Tent 1FL. canoe), wearing similar clothing, using similar gear. While this is usually not an issue on soft ground, I can see how it could become more of an issue on sandy beach, rocks, snow and so on, at least compared to self-supporting tents. Add to that the struggles of marketing a new concept to a world of Internet shoppers and dwindling floor space in big box stores. If you do this, I think a few of the other issues will go away, like the grips wanting to pop out of the apex and the inner tent being saggy. The area enclosed by the fly measures 9 feet by 4 feet, which is … Sierra Designs High Route 1 FL. I personally didn’t put my pole through the grommet and found the tent worked better that way. Thank you, and keep up the good work! First Look: Sierra Designs 'High Route' Modular Shelter. Reviews; Related Gear; 40154120. Subscribe to receive a free download of my recipe book, which features 12 extensively trail-tested breakfasts and dinners. I have not hiked the West Coast Trails, but I have enough experience in the Pacific Northwest and in southeast Alaska to extrapolate its performance. You can scoot the fly left/right and fore/aft to consolidate some of this space, with a realistic max width of about 15 inches, enough width for a pack. First is a floor-less tent that erects with hiking poles. The Sierra Designs High Route FL 1 is a great entry point if you’ve never used a trekking pole tent before because it doesn’t require any seam sealing, everything is included, and it has easy-to-learn, fast-pitch. If you want more room inside the fly when the inner tent pitched, you can adjust the corner connection lengths in order to “shift” the inner tent around inside, like more flush to one side. They were tracing the Corps of Discovery route from two-hundred years earlier, traveling by the same modes (e.g. For a hiker looking for a lightweight shelter with an easy to do setup that won’t break the bank, I would look no further than this tent. 2) The vertical sides are difficult to get taught. The new version will arrive in the spring of 2019, its name will no… If it’s not buggy, I would not take the inner tent. Most people would probably not bother using them, I would and if I keep the shelter I will most likely sew my own. Even after replacing the lines with 21″ 2.5mm cord it is nearly impossible to achieve my ideal setup. I would need a year or two of hard use and in varied conditions to give a thorough review. Being out in the wilderness for over five months changed my life in the most positive ways, and I'm yearning to find ways to bring that positivity into society. And like any A-frame tarp or pup tent, such as the Big Agnes Scout, the HR1’s ridgeline must be tensioned at both ends, using stakes or natural anchors. The Sierra Designs High Route 1 FL can be set up three ways: just the tent body, as a tarp, or as a tarp with the tent body inside. Overall I think I will be keeping the tent this time around. 18 months later I bought it again, having been frustrated by the Stratospire’s somewhat fussy design and needing 15 minutes to pitch even after a year. No, definitely not. Lay the tent out with the larger door side facing upward, making sure the zippers are closed on both doors. I appreciate the honesty! How do they differ other than weight? However in challenging weather it may be possible to position the tent so that one but not both doors are protected, particularly in shifting winds. I love the stability and versatility of this tent. Peak: 45 inches, Floor: 20D nylon ripstop w 1200mm PeU I would think that the concern would be the opposite: Can you find enough flat and non-brushy areas to lay down a tent? Here’s the link for everyone else: https://andrewskurka.com/2016/sierra-designs-high-route-tent-imperfections/#comment-22232. €299.00 . it created a new category of products, or relegated everything else obsolete. Other geometries make for better 2-person shelters. I think this shelter will take a step in putting Sierra Designs back on the map for long-distance hikers. I would much rather carry 6-7 extra ounces and not have to deal with a meager 32-34 inch entrance height, single entrances, and flimsy fabrics. If you prefer to have this discussion over email just let me know. i csnt find anything:(. Thanks! 0.55 kg/m2, Example tent I compared a few months ago when I was tent shopping, Cottage with trekking pole support: Some people use their pack for storage at night, but I always unpack it completely so that I can get a fresh pack-up in the morning. The fly is 48″ wide; the inner, 30″. Either SD is not following your spec or the spec was set incorrectly. Please check your entries and try again. 2 made it just another pole supported tent, with no great reason to choose it over the competition. 1) Seems like it will be difficult to pitch in the desert on rocky and sandy soil. 4. Space, storm resistance, condensation management, modularity, price? Why not just throw in a second pair of guylines. Sorry, I see this was addressed in an earlier question last year. With the HR1 I was trying to avoid the pitfalls inherent to conventional mids and A-frame tarps (under which I’d slept hundreds of nights), notably: poles in or blocking the sleeping area, low-angle walls, wet entry, and limited ventilation in a storm. Although, a tarp/bivy is not for everyone, even in these ideal conditions — many people find a bivy too claustrophobic, or simply want more protected living space. The guylines that you use for the tent body are the same guylines that you use for the tarp. Among conventional manufacturers (i.e. Pre-trip backyard practice is highly recommended. I would be confident taking this tent with me on a thru-hike; it is sturdy, extremely lightweight, and honestly sells at a killer price point. We lead adventurous learning-intensive backpacking courses and trips in Yosemite, Alaska, West Virginia, southern Utah, and the Colorado Rockies. It’s straightforward, but it should practiced before going into the field. 5) I am probably not pitching this quite right yet, but I find the fabric to be somewhat floppy, even with everything fully staked out, poles at ~49 inches, tenstion straps pulled, guylines taut. It’s not perfect, and — depending on your trip conditions, personal preferences, and recreation budget — it may not be the most appropriate shelter for you. The High Route is double-wall, (more versatile, and better manages condensation), easier to pitch, and bigger. Sierra Designs High Route 1 FL. Sierra Designs. I'm the one on trail who brings far too much first aide gear, eats produce almost every day yet ALWAYS has bags of sugar-y candy. Current Stock: Out of Stock. In order to connect to all four corners I need to have them fully extended, and then there is practically no slack to move the shelter around. Once the fly is pitched, the inner tent can be placed inside. Other than the space and comfort, how does the SD High Route fair against a tarp/bivy setup in bad conditions? There is an updated version being released in spring 2019, but all shelters until then are exactly the same. Doing a necro-bump of an old thread here, but with the HR Mk.1 on the way to end-of-life I thought I would post a few thoughts from my second go-round with this tent without contaminating Andrew’s post on the Mk.2 tent. Freestanding tents from BA, REI, and MSR seem to be most popular, and I would start there. Shifting the inner tent to one side – hmm, the provided tension lines to dot seem to accommodate this. Min. If it’s 12 that’s a problem. Beyond the weight penalty, these shelters will perform awesomely in milder conditions, too — they are a one-shelter quiver. Adaptée aux conditions climatiques difficiles, elle résiste même à des conditions hivernales modérées. Nemo and Mountain Hardware have some good designs as well. I like the direction Sierra Designs is taking by looking at the business but more importantly the way people are using their gear. Great review! It ventilates extremely well, even when it’s raining or snowing. The High Route Tent looks very nice as well. Cheers, ~Tommy. Lots of companies make them. This website contains affiliate links, which means The Trek may receive a percentage of any product or service you purchase using the links in the articles or advertisements. 1) The pockets that the poles fit into are not substantial enough, at least IMO. Get SD to talk to Bob at Backpacking light UK http://www.backpackinglight.co.uk/ about importing and stocking them and other SD kit. If it starts to rain and you’ve only set up the tent body, you would have to take it down, set up the tarp, and then set the tent body up again inside the tarp. It’s oversized, so it won’t become a coffin in consecutive days of wet conditions. Not my ideal time of year, but my wife is a teacher and that is when I am able to go. They should be 21 inches long. Cavernous interior, tall awnings, pretty straightforward pitch, good ventilation. Will an improved 3 man version be introduced? If you do pitch it together you should loosen the connections so that the fly can re-pitch to the contours of the new campsite, which may not be like the last. Totally recommend this tent in rain. It sounds like it would be great for my first big long-distance excursion. Thanks for subscribing! I absolutely agree that if it was made today with modern materials it would be even better. I’m guessing ‘halved’ and ‘doubled’ or more. Clad to hear you have some NC roots! If you want to use a ground-based shelter, I think it would perfect excellently in the humidity and precip that is common to that part of the world. Gear review: Sierra designs High Route FL Where to start – The High route FL is a weird tent. I’m very excited by this design. I also went to school in Durham. The vertical walls of the main entrances of the tent do not allow moisture in when it is raining. Review your outdoor gear and you're entered to win a women's Eleanor Plus ($250 value) or a men's Zissou Plus ($220 value). Shelter geometry design is evolutionary, whether by intention or not. Some thoughts and responses: 2. The High Route Tent is much better for more inclement conditions: moderate or heavy rain, wind, snow, or bugs. I will drive out to the desert tomorrow to try it out. It falls into the “ultralight/ultra-small” category: it weighs just 1 lb 15 oz for the fly, body, and pole set; but it offers only 24.9 square feet of protected space (17.2-sq ft interior, 7.7-sq ft vestibule) and a 32-inch peak height. Fly: 20D nylon ripstop silicone w 1200mm PeU Look at their respective shapes, dimensions, and fly/inner tent connections for examples. The Stratosphire vs. Dan’s X-Mid vs. HR1. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxMbtrAZYEMoTzY3T2ZEMlNSTEk. Good job on taking the design copying accusations head on. or is there an us retailer that ships to europe? Everything else — including the HR1 — is at best an evolution in existing design, offering something different and somehow better (though not necessarily across-the-board better). The Sierra Designs High Route 1 FL is the first non-freestanding tent I have ever used. And my feet did have good clearance from the rain! Disclosure: I co-developed the High Route Tent with Sierra Designs. Connect loops on tent body to loops on tarp. If you decide to support another brand besides Sierra Designs, MLD would be a good choice.) If you want, you can attach the inner … the Big Agnes Copper Spur UL 3/4 beats it. The High Route’s fly is 48” x 108” x 48” (W x L x H) and protects 36 square feet of floor space, enough for one big person, one person trapped in their shelter by weather, one person plus a dog or a lot of gear, or two people snug. Simply start by staking out all four corners of the tent body. But Dan’s design is a good one, too. This is the most practical ultralight 1-person shelter I’ve seen in a while. All I was suggesting is adding some nylon loops along the outside ridges of the tent and corresponding loops on the inside ridges of the fly to allow those like me, who like the space, to pull up the first 10-15 inches to keep the mesh out of their face. In its lowest pitch, the inner tent should still properly tension — we built it for that height, and added allowance for taller pitches. I am writing just some initial impressions after a weekend of use. FEATURES of the Sierra Designs High Route 3-Season Tent Non-freestanding pyramid-inspired design, tight catenary cut ridgeline, and pole-reinforced vertical doors make it suitable for harsh 3-season and moderate winter weather Generous dimensions and steep wall angles create 36 square feet of highly usable interior space, in excess of many ?ultralight? It does not matter the source — extraneous weight makes hiking harder, especially when vertical climbing is involved. Did your feet have good clearance from the outer? Also tighten these strings accordingly for a taut pitch. Max. We considered this, but decided not to because you lose functionality of the door. Some seem to think that the HR1 should be docked points for this, as if the idea was copied. You’ve never seen (or pitched) a shelter like this one before. 12 inches fully extended. And, second, the smaller footprint leaves 17.25 square feet of utility space for cooking dinner, and for storing wet gear and dirty shoes. Indeed, versus a sloping side panel, these barn doors are certainly not as aerodynamic. 5) No fuss cording – Andrew recommends that you cut it off 🙂 but if you do decide to keep it I found it pleasantly solid and simple. If you only a short pad, it offers some foot insulation, too. Absent the rain friendly setup requirement 15 years has resulted in a decrease in weight by 1lb/20% using the Copper Spur 3 as an example. Give your opinion. I struggle to believe that, simply because of the advancements in fabrics since that time. Pros and cons? The setup of the tent could be inconvenient if unexpected rain comes along, because the tent body is designed to be set up inside the tarp. Less different but better: Brand flip of Sierra Designs in 2018. Could you give your thoughts on the functionality of the HR 1 versus the Tensegrity Elite. All designs has tradeoffs, it’s just a matter of consumers deciding what they’re willing to tolerate. I hope you love the tent & am glad you liked the review. This tent was rated one of the 12 best tents by Sierra Designs High Route Tarp Tent - 2 Person ON SALE 40154220. But my question to you, because I thought you might have a better idea than others is, how can they get patents on a basic tent design? Not the lightest, but it is solid in bad weather and affordable. High Route 1 FL Sierra Designs. The sides were never worrisome in high winds, mostly because they are reinforced by trekking poles. Fast and free shipping free returns cash on … Re DCF, yes, probably about half the weight and twice the expense. They maximize the usability of interior space, because perimeter space is not lost to low-angled walls. REI’s tents routinely show up as being very good and an excellent value. There seems to be two versions of this tent available on Amazon: the original and the FL. Size: 1 Person, Minimum Weight: 37, Weight: 2.8, Tents and Shelters Application: Backpacking, Application: Camping, Sleep Capacity: 1-Person, Color: Red Clay, Body Material: 15D Nylon No-See-Um Mesh, Floor Material: 30D Nylon Ripstop, WR/1200mm PeU, … So you would have to untie the guylines from the tarp every time you want to set up the tent body, which can be frustrating if you have your guylines set perfectly in length. It does not seem like you can go very far without encountering trees. They create a dry entry and exit, i.e., when you open a door, nothing gets wet. I will probably slim down the tent per Andrew’s notes later on and just use a tautline hitch on the hooks with 1.5mm line and a McCarthy hitch on the corners. The truth is that we didn’t know about the existence of either shelter until we had our second prototype in hand. Why deny it that I needed to keep the pole length to around 120cm and use guy. 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